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  1. I strongly agree with the suggestions made for rail improvements. However, I do feel that a stronger call to move the Sevenoaks Metro services to TFL along with the introduction of Oyster ticketing needs to be made. As you rightly point out, the rolling stock used on both the fast and slow trains is not really suitable for future requirements – an urgent upgrade / replacement of all SE rolling stock is required. Moving Metro routes to TFL would guarantee this.

    The recommendation for a direct Gatwick service would also be great. However, as Gatwick is joining the Oyster system, the route would need to be integrated into that ticketing regime.

  2. Many thanks. These are great points, although in the “Balkanised” railway system ticketing is not strictly an issue for Network Rail.

  3. I agree with all the comments and recommendations made, particularly with regard to the introduction of an all day/evening Thameslink service on the Maidstone East line. It is noticeable that the peak Blackfriars service for example, leaving Borough Green at 07.12, has become markedly more busy in the 5 years that I have been using it, and particularly since the start of the London Bridge works with passengers seeking an alternative direct service into the City. However the demand has become such that customers boarding at Otford, for example, are having to stand because of lack of seating which is not acceptable when you consider that it is a 40 min journey into London. The extra evening service from Blackfriars introduced in the January timetable change this year was very welcome, and from personal experience of using it, it has proved a very popular alternative for those of us in the City rather than having to tube it to Victoria. More of the same please!

  4. I would like to add the following points for consideration for inclusion in the design of any new rolling stock for our rail services and service improvements: –
    1. All new mainline stock should be 2+2 seating, the 375/9 series trains demonstrate how unsuitable the 3+2 seating layout with a narrow walking route through the carriage does not accommodate the larger and taller population that is becoming the norm in the Country. On busy services the centre seat of the three seat bench is frequently empty because not many passengers can fit into it both ends of the bench are occupied.
    2. Air conditioning in all new build stock.
    3. Consider designing trains with fixed formation of articulated coaches open from one end of the train to the other to maximise capacity; no ends of carriages and the wasted space between two coaches.
    4.Any new rolling stock used by TFL for metro services if they take these over to have 2+2 seating with toilets on all trains. The class 376 that Southeastern use on some metro services or TFL London Overground stock would not be suitable for services between Sevenoaks and London.
    5. Earlier and later services in both directions between Sevenoaks and London on both routes; Southeastern via Orpington and Thameslink via Bat & Ball.
    6. Better connections between Thameslink and Southeastern services at Sevenoaks.
    7. As a quick way of increasing capacity before any major improvements are introduced is it possible to increase the three coach Class 375 trains to four carriages by building an additional coach to add to the current trains formation.

  5. These are good points for future lobbying as we move forward. On lengthening the 3-car 375s I believe that currently some 11 car services are needed due to platform lengths.

  6. If the problem is platform lengths then 375s can surely use 12-car trains with Selective Door Operation?

    There used to be a problem at Tunbridge Wells with infrastructure as well, but I thought that that had been sorted. In any case, the Kent Route Study is sufficiently long-term that Network Rail could sort out any track or other infrastructure issues within its planning horizon.

  7. Looking forward to a Lewisham Junction station – it would be of huge benefit to west Kent commuters. I hear that the Bakerloo Tube will now be extended to Lewisham via Old Kent Road and Burgess Park; part of inner south London that up until now has been largely ignored for rail transport improvements.
    More information on Lewisham Junction proposals can be found here…
    http://ukrail.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/lewisham-junction.html

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