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  1. Are they now so chronically short staffed that the delays are inevitable? Take last night as an example – a single broken down train on one line caused chaos on all other lines. This led to SE then using their favourite excuse of stopping a Sevenoaks train at Orpington to get things back on time and making everyone wait in the cold. However, the now empty train sat at Orpington for at least 20 minutes – it could nearly have got to Sevenoaks and back in that time. How does this get their timetable back on track?

    They simply appear to have too few drivers so that any problem due to sickness or minor delays creates chaos.

  2. I wonder if it’s possible to find figures as to what proportion of all these delays are Southeasterns and what proportion Network Rails, being as they’re different businesses? This would be a better comparison for all the train companies. It seems that sometimes delays on Southeastern lines are Network Rails fault, but Southeastern don’t do anything to defend themselves. For instance, I see a fair amount of freight trains go by, which I presume are not run by Southeastern, and I wouldn’t mind betting they have some impact in service outages. My thought is that we would have a clearer understanding of a passenger rail operators performance if Network Rails operations and performance were taken in to consideration. Does that make sense?

  3. @Paul

    Yes, Network Rail publish figures on how much of total minutes delay (over 3 minutes) were due to Network Rail, to the train operator itself, to other passenger train operators or to freight operators. They are on a different basis both from the Right-Time figures and from the PPM figures (both of which measure trains simply “late” or not). So they are not strictly comparable.

    Nevertheless the figures for 10 January to 6 February show that 71% of total minutes delay was attributed to Network Rail, 26% to Southeastern, 1% to other passenger operators and 2% to freight. However the figures for other train operators are similar – for instance South West Trains 69% of total minutes delay was attributed to Network Rail in the same period.

    You say that “Southeastern don’t do anything to defend themselves”. Actually they are starting to say quite stridently that it’s Network Rail’s fault. See, for instance, their stakeholder letter about last Friday’s disruption.

    We don’t accept that Southeastern are blame-free in disruptions whose root cause is down to Network Rail:

    • Southeastern pay 48% of our fares to Network Rail. They should be managing the performance of their sub-contractors, not just accepting under-performance
    • It is Southeastern’s responsibility to manage the train services and overcome infrastructure failures. Recovery times are too long: after last Friday’s overnight frost Southeastern were still having 15 minute delays in the evening peak. That’s not good enough.
    • There are some perverse financial incentives. If the original cause is due to Network Rail then Southeastern are compensated for each minute’s delay (over 3 minutes) to every train that they can say is caused by that. That does not incentivise Southeastern to minimise the disruption, not least until Delay-Repay payments to passengers start only after 30 minutes delay.
    • Southeastern are entirely responsible for passenger information. A lot of the passenger dissatisfaction comes not from infrastructure failures themselves but from the lack of information about what is going on and when it will be fixed
  4. No doubt Southeastern have realised that with the Metro services soon going over to TfL, it’s likely that a contractor with a much better record (such as MTR) will be appointed.

    Similarly, with such a dismal record there must be little chance of Southeastern winning the mainline franchise starting in 2018.

    Therefore, the bean counters’ logic would be to milk the remaining months of their franchise for all it’s worth, restricting spending to just above the level that would see them booted out early. Ominously, the number of people that have signed the e-petition to remove their franchise is over 16,600 and rising, so they know they’re on borrowed time.

    I expect that Southeastern’s performance will go from worse to worst until that happy day arrives when they become just another bad memory like Connex (the predecessor company that was booted out early for financial mismanagement).

    Roll on May 2018 !

  5. Wow! Thank you so much for your explanation – that was very helpful! I thought I might have known a reasonable amount about all of this on a consumer level, but there’s obviously so much more to it than meets the eye.

    On Friday I made a return from Gravesend to Croydon and had 2 cancellations on the way there, and a 50 minute delay on the way back. I tried to allow myself to believe that it wasn’t all Southeasterns fault, but at least the infuriation helped to keep me warm.

    It does just seem that Southeastern have given up the ghost doesn’t it. I feel so sorry for the staff that we’ve pretty much given up complaining and indeed, as I may have mentioned before, we’re looking to move away from the area as it’s our only option as all this mess has such an impact on our lives. It’s only a matter of time before it starts harming property prices, so we’re getting out while the going is good.

    Have you ever thought about running a railway company? With all your insight and knowledge I wouldn’t mind betting you’d make a pretty good job of it. But then I think even I’D make a better job of it right now….

    Thank you again for imparting your knowledge.

  6. Regarding staff delays, I was on a late SE train to Blackfriars some time ago and overheard the conductor on his phone. He was running late to make a connection to his next train at Victoria, and was frantically trying to figure out how to get there as quickly as possible. By the look of it, he stood no chance. So it is surprising why this task was up to him 5 minutes before the train arrived at Blackfriars. Would it not be sensible for someone to coordinate this in advance (and not at the last moment – the train was running late for over 30 minutes), so that by the time he got off at Blackfriars, there was a taxi waiting for him.

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